Topic: Discussions of mythology, magic, and fiction:

MaryRead

Date: 2008-06-27 20:43 EST
Me and my girlfriend were just discussing this subject the other day. The following is what came out of the conversation. I thought there might be someone else out there who would appreciate it, so I wrote it up for your enjoyment. Feel free to add to this thread as you will and take the time to answer the poll question at the end. If there is one option you feel strongly about, go with that. If you find an attraction to supernatural creatures in general there is an all of the above choice.


The Pros and Cons of Dating a Demon


Now to get a sense of what it means to be dating a person who is possessed one must understand the severity of such a condition. My girlfriend compared it to dating someone with aids - though there are some major differences ? it is comparable on the level of seriousness.

A demon infesting your soul acts like a cancer would to your body. Over time converting healthy cells into it?s own until what remains of the host is nothing but the cancer. It is also important to understand that the word demon has been attributed to creatures with such a variance as to group them all together and claim them to be the same is inaccurate. As with people, demons have are quite diverse where intelligence and motivations are concerned. Some are very primal and others have a scary level of intellect. One may have enough of a mind to just continue their own existence, where as another could be equivalent to the Machiavelli of demons. Any information generalized here does not always hold true, they are simply what observations we have.

My friend told me about her relationship with a boy who was possessed. His relationship with his demon was more symbiotic than parasitic in nature. The demon was clever enough to come to an understanding with him that they could both be happy with. For example: You give me five days out of the year to do with as I please and you can have the rest. Demons have a different concept of time than humans, not to mention generally their desire seems to be just being able to walk in a body and feel things. What pleases them will vary with the individual.

Not all of demons are homicidal. Though they do tend to have be impatient with human weakness, often have a bit of a temper, and tend to not have qualms with violence. So the potential is more likely to be there than with the average Joe you might otherwise have a thing for. This is not to say they are impatient in general, quite the contrary. They don?t have such a limited life span and thus dedicating years to something really isn?t much in the grand scheme of things.

I know what you are thinking now, what about exorcisms? Well this is a tricky one because yes, they have been known to work. This does require two things though. Often people who are possessed do not understand what it is has happened to them. That a spiritual predator has taken root within their soul and is taking over. Perhaps they just know they were filled with rage and lost control but they don?t even know the cause. If they do understand what it is that is happening to them, there is also the possibility that they don?t actually truly want the demon gone (you would probably be surprised how often this is the case). The other is that like cancer, there becomes a point of no return. Where so much of the soul has been converted that there just isn?t enough left of the host to sustain life on its own anymore. This isn?t to say an exorcism would kill them ? though it may be possible ? but that there just isn?t enough of a person left to purge the infected bits.

What I found very sobering and sad about this conversation was the effects on the host. In the beginning they may have a reasonable amount of control. The demon may be pulling the strings sometimes but with a powerful enough will they can be fought back. Sort of like with multiple personalities when one sieges control but is roughly thrown out of the position when the will of another personality is truly inspired to do so. This is not the case with a demon possession victim forever though. Even if all seems to be going as well as can be expected in such a situation, the cancer is spreading. When it has become dominant enough - eventually nothing can be done. Whatever is left of the host can only do and say what the demon will allow them to. Perhaps they may not even be able to ask for help anymore. But if in theory there is enough mind left there of the original person to sustain existence even after the demon is cast out, it may not be too late to save them.



Now that you have a glimpse of how serious of a situation this can be? We will get to the comparisons. There are pros and cons really when you consider dating a person with aids versus dating someone who is demon possessed.

The similarities are as follows:

The victim will often have an attitude that will not allow anyone to get to close to them. They both seem to know their condition is fatal and even though there may be a demon inside your love who is wicked as wicked can be? The human in them is unlikely to want to hurt people. Thus the observed trend for distancing themselves from anyone they actually care about. This is out of fear of harming them one way or another.

I'm not going to downplay it, the chances of this relationship ending without many tears and possibly death are not very good. You may be fortunate enough to have many good years with this person that may make certain pain and potential disaster not seem so important. But you must both live with the knowledge that there is not likely even the chance of a happy ending. This can be very wearing, especially to the infected individual who may have some misplaced sense of guilt for their condition.

That leads me to my next point ? it usually is no fault of the host of either illness that this happened to them. Generally it was just something that happened that they could not have possibly forseen. Usually nothing they did was anything different than what everyone does. They are good people that bad things have happened to. But as any victim they will have a tendency to blame themselves and will likely not want to risk anything happening to anyone they see as worthwhile by engaging in a relationship with them.

If these are not enough problems to overcome there is still more to consider:

First off, a person with aids is not so prone to being homicidal. Even if the person you have come to know and love would never do such a thing, when that demon takes control, they may no longer have a choice. But on the plus side? You can sleep with a demon without fear of ?catching? it. In fact most people who have such a condition would not wish it on anyone and will discourage you from such foolish actions as handing over control of your soul to such an entity. So you can in theory be physically intimate, which from what I understand can be a very enjoyable experience indeed. But of course there is always the possibility of you ending up dead all the same so weigh the pros and cons there very carefully. It probably will help if you are a masochist though as possessed individuals are often rough with their lovers.

Secondly, as stated earlier, there is the possibility of curing the object of your love of this affliction before it is too late. There is no known cure for aids. But do remember this is contingent upon their wanting the demon gone, and it not being too late already. So though there is possibility there, definitely no guarantees. The con on this you also have to keep in mind that should you try to ?save? your love the demon may not be very happy with it. If you are going to attempt such a feat you might want to think on the possible violent reactions and consequences. Perhaps it is one of the more reasonable demons and you?ll get lucky but this is very, VERY unlikely.

Third, an aids victim (however restricted their activity) has control over themselves and your relationship. With a demon there is always a third party in the relationship whose will and desires must be acknowledged. If the demon does not want its host to be close to another person at all, good luck changing its mind.

Four, an aids victim is likely to have his own issues with God. But a demon has an entirely different set of issues. An aids victim does have the capacity to overcome these and be very spiritual. A possessed person's spiritual life is extremely limited, at least in the cases observed. Both the direct intervention of the demon and the disillusionment over the benevolence of the spiritual realm are unlikely to result in them not being a religious church goer. Though this is definitely subject to the individual concerned, this must be a consideration to people to whom their religion comes first.

Five, if your man has a hedonist demon in him... He is going to want sex all the time, and it probably will be very good sex. But at some point in your love making you will become aware that you aren?t just sleeping with the human you love, the situation has been contrived by an evil and frightening presence you never expected on becoming intimate with. This is a problem that most demon lovers will face the moment when the thing looking out of your lovers eyes, is not them. Fear is only the beginning of the emotions you may experience at this time. Where as when getting involved with a person who has aids, you may not be able to be physically intimate, but the relationship is between the two of you. It is entered into freely and without coercion.



So what it comes down to is you need to ask yourself this question? Do you love this person enough that even if they did have a disease such as aids where a sad ending was enevitable, quite possibly at the cost of your own existence? That you would still not trade a single moment of the time you could have with them, despite all the potential for pain and disaster? If you do, that sort of conviction and love is inspiring. It could possibly give some hope to the prospect of such an impossible relationship. That is if the object of your affection is willing to try as well. You must understand that if they don?t wish to be with you it is likely because they do care about you.

If you have that sort of love it is not something to be taken lightly and I can?t advise you to walk away because well? I wouldn?t. And if they feel the same then perhaps they might be willing to take the risk, just remember that this will be possibly an even harder decision for them than it was for you. Good luck to you both.

Vincent

Date: 2008-07-02 00:10 EST
I want to sleep with a mermaid. Mermaids are sexy. ::firm nod:: Or maybe a human.

- Vic

AnneBonny

Date: 2008-07-03 02:54 EST
Hey there, dear. I was listening to some folk music and heard a song that reminded me of you. Ever since, whenever I go to the Taking Care Of Business board, I hear it playing in the back of my head. So very Irish and piratey. For the record, each verse (and chorus) is sung faster than the last.

Lyrics provided for the hell of it; performed (at least the version I've got) by Great Big Sea.
Mary Mac

There's a neat little lass and her name is Mary Mac
And make no mistake she's the girl I'm gonna track -
Lots of other fellas try to get her on 'er back,
But I'm thinkin' they'll have to get up early.

Chorus:
Mary Mac's mother's makin' Mary Mac marry me,
My mother's makin' me marry Mary Mac
Well I'm gonna marry Mary, cause Mary's takin' care o' me
We'll all be feelin' merry when I marry Mary Mac!

Now Mary and her mother are an awful lot together
In fact you hardly see the one without the other
And people often wonder if it's Mary or her mother
Or both of them together I'm courting

(chorus)

Well up among the heather in the hills of Benafee
Well I had a bonny lass a-sittin' on my knee
A bumble bee stung me right above the knee
Up among the heather in the hills of Benafee!

(chorus)

Well I said to bonny lass "how we gonna pass the day?"
She said, "among the heather in the hills of Benafee,
Where all the boys and girls are making out so free
Up among the heather in the hills of Benafee"

(chorus)

Wedding's on a Wednesday, everything's arranged
Soon you'll never change your mind unless you mind the change
Of making the arrangements and feelings lots of rage -
Marriage is an awful undertaking!

(chorus)

Sure to be a grand for grand of that a fair
Gonna be a fork and plate for every man that's there
And I'll be a bugger if I don't get my share
Although I may be very much mistaken!

(chorus)

There's a neat little lass and her name is Mary Mac
Make no mistake, she's the girl I'm gonna track
Lots of other fellas try to get her on her back
But I think they're gonna have to get up early!

(chorus)

::::For Mary.::::

AnneBonny

Date: 2008-07-03 02:57 EST
We have a perfectly good Coliseum on Club Babylon property. When we built it I was thinking of having gladiator battles between heroes and monsters, or something similarly exciting. Can anyone think of a good match-up? All the mythological pairs I can come up with are obvious wins by one of them.

I mean, we could do angels vs. demons, or vampires vs. werewolves... but that's been done so many times.

AnneBonny

Date: 2008-07-14 03:47 EST
Come on, guys, someone's gotta have an idea for a Coliseum match-up.

Remember the fight between Flying Shark and Flying Crocodile? Sure it was silly, but it got everyone interested. We all picked a winner and argued over why they were the best... We need something like that.

The floor is open to suggestions!

Chaos

Date: 2008-07-16 08:58 EST
Demogorgon vs Orcus

Godzilla vs Gamera.

Hulk vs Juggernaut

Spawn vs Ghost Rider

Dracula vs Wolverine

Joker vs Dr. Doom

Doomsday vs Destroyer Armor

Indiana Jones vs Zorro

Batman vs The Punisher

Captain America vs Moon Knight

Jaws vs Orca

Jason Voorhees vs The Creeper

Superman vs Cell

Majin Buu vs Silver Surfer

Darksied vs Drax the Destroyer

Thanos vs Mephisto

Fantastic Four vs The Incredibles

Wonder Woman vs Enchantress

Blade vs Daredevil

Sabertooth vs Wendigo

Loch Ness Monster vs Kraken

Ice Man vs Killer Frost

Martian Manhunter vs Flash

Hercules vs Captain Marvel

Green Arrow vs Robin Hood

Hawkeye vs Bullseye

Freddy Krueger vs Dr. Strange

Bizzaro vs Solomon Grundy

Sinestro vs The Darkness

Michael Myers vs Ashley J Williams

James Bond vs Nick Fury

Man-Thing vs The Lizard

Swamp Thing vs Magento

Doomsday vs Colossus

Wasp vs Atom

Robocop vs Terminator

Duncan Macleod vs Dante

Kratos vs Vengeance

Zeus vs Odin

War Machine vs Heavy Arms Gundam

Riddick vs Angel(Vampire)

King Ghidorah vs Orochi

Kenshin vs Vampire Hunter D

Blackheart vs Dr. Fate

Green Lantern vs Super Skrull

Sentry vs Phoenix


....There you go...some ideas.

Dracen

Date: 2008-07-16 14:56 EST
Well if we are talking Matchups how bout as other choices

Apocalypse v. Havoc


Gambit v. Mystique


Death v. Dream(Sandman series)


Spiderman v. Mr. Sinister


Thor v. Loki

Catwoman v. Poison Ivy


John Constantine v. Lucifer
just a few suggestions....

Chaos

Date: 2008-07-17 00:07 EST
Apocalypse v. Havoc.....Apocalypse wins


Gambit v. Mystique.....Mystique wins..


Death v. Dream(Sandman series)...Death wins..


Spiderman v. Mr. Sinister...Spider man wins


Thor v. Loki....Thor wins

Catwoman v. Poison Ivy...OMFG what did Catwoman ever do to you???!!! Pamela wins in a literal land slide

Dracen

Date: 2008-07-17 00:13 EST
I hate Catwoman, i bet on Poison Ivy any day of the week she's a hot redhead.

Rose Black

Date: 2008-07-17 12:59 EST
Pamela wins in a literal landslide... lol I totally agree with you Bob. You know your stuff.

I'd like to see some of those suggestions you listed played out... But I think it would also be fun to see some of the characters we got running around Rhy'Din face off. Whatever happened to that match between Calico and Trixie? That sounded like it would have been a sight to see.

Dracen, always bet on the sexy red head. One day we shall rule the world.

Chaos

Date: 2008-07-18 09:32 EST
Characters in Rhydin facing off? Hmmm..Lets see...Bob vs everybody..Bob wins.

There you go!

In all seriousness though If you want me to write up some versus threads I can do it I suppose. Some characters I know pretty well. I did a mean Blade vs Ghost Rider once. GR won. He turned the sand floor into glass, whipped the chain around Blade's neck and dragged him through the glass trail from his bike for the win.

Violent and awesome. Of course people would have to vote on the winner. If a vastly underpowered character some how got the votes because they were the underdog...I would have to laugh.

Let me know if your interested.

MaryRead

Date: 2008-07-27 17:26 EST
Bob you are the best! We would love it if you would write up some fights for us! Me and Anne just went over the suggestions and picked out five we thought would be fun. Going to make a poll to try and figure out if anyone else has an opinion. We were thinking about picking out three for now, you can write them up at your leisure. Thanks so much love! No one could do it better than you ;)