Topic: OOC: The Press

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 20:54 EST
Given the apparent uproar caused by the Rhy'Din Vindicator being released, and Rob Mitchell doing his investigative reporting, I figured that it couldn't hurt to do my own 'press release' of sorts and explain things. I want it to be perfectly, crystal clear what my position on this is; it's not hard to see that it's needed at this point.

Fact the First: The only information used in the Vindicator comes from Playables (which are open) and live RP where my character or one of his sources is directly in attendance. Unlike the Oracle and the GangSTAR, we don't have orbs placed around to record the news. It's strictly by the books. The only time posts are being used is strictly, again, when our character is in attendance or when an informant or source gives us information. We log everything, too, so we can back up our information.

Just like a real paper.

Fact the Second: The name, the Rhy'Din Vindicator Chronicle comes from the Youngstown Vindicator Chronicle, before it was shortened. Originally, the paper in real life was dedicated to bringing honest, unbiased news to the common man. That's the aim here, as well. This is not the Oracle, where half of the reporters are often also the subjects (though, believe it or not, I do really enjoy that paper too!), nor is it a tabloid where you go for juicy gossip. This paper has been printed and published, and will continue to be, in serious journalistic standard.

It's a paper to represent the common people and to give them the truth.

Fact the Third: Random slaughter of NPCs is noteworthy. I know that it has become all too common to think of NPCs as something to up your character's personal kill count, but even as fantastical as Rhy'Din is, in no society whatsoever is it acceptable for over ten percent of a city's population to be wiped out in a month. Yes, the paper will report on this, yes, it will dig until it finds the cause (and anyone involved in said cause), because that's just how the IC world works. ICA=ICC. Period.


So, now you've got my position on it. We are all here on the site, we're all stuck with one another. What happens IC is what happens, and it's all in the open -- what happens OOC is not going to ever be crossed into IC, at least not by me.

All that being said, feel free to give your opinions here. Questions, comments, ideas, praise or flames; bring them on. This is all about freedom of press, and that applies to all.

Thanks!

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 21:41 EST
This is taken from the OOC folder in the 'Sojourn' that the Ravenlocks use.

Also use of any of our Player Characters or any NPC created by me without my (or our) permission is a HUGE no no unless is it part of an s/l you are DIRECTLY related in and we have discussed it before hand. If that isn't the case please PM me (or us) for permission and we can talk. Thank you.

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Translation, print whatever the hell you want. But approach any of us, and we have a serious issue, understand? I don't care if a single player that uses 18+ alts wants to use each of them to dig dirt on other charries, but you make sure you ask ANY player before approaching them. I am speaking specifically of the Ravenlocks being mention in regards to Renna or anything else, that's fine. Print and post what you want, since you have that freedom. But do not approach any of us, we are each in agreement and I speak for the family, IC and OOC when I say do not approach any of us IC in regards to this.. This is the first and last time I will say it. And to make sure I am saving this so it is not moved and hidden.

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 21:53 EST
But do not approach any of us, we are each in agreement and I speak for the family, IC and OOC when I say do not approach any of us IC in regards to this.. This is the first and last time I will say it. And to make sure I am saving this so it is not moved and hidden.

If I recall correctly, you willingly played off of my character. I didn't hold a gun to your head, nor did I force you to go along with it.

Besides that, however, your trying to blacklist my character OOC is completely unacceptable. Roleplay is roleplay; I have done nothing to dig up dirt and the only character I have played thus far today in relation to the news has been Rob Mitchell -- every source I have gotten since then has been outside.

This is the last time I'm saying this: Thus far, Brian-mun, you have already harassed and threatened one of the muns involved and you are treading in very dangerous waters. I have kept this strictly IC, and you have not. I have the log to prove it, too, and will be entirely too glad to bring that to the attention of the site admins.

I have not harassed you. Anyone is welcome to play in the Red Dragon Inn; it is not YOUR private playground. And if my character walks in, the only way that you and yours will go unacknowledged is if they walk right out. You, nor anyone else, has any right to tell me how to play my characters -- so far as I know, unless I cross OOC lines (which I most firmly do not do, unlike yourself) I am free to play on this site. I haven't touched your personal folder, I haven't PMed or IMed you, and you have no call to harass me.

Am I perfectly clear here, Brian-mun? This is my playground too. Your character's public actions and what others say about him is fair game, along with the rest of the Ravenlock clan. You wanna change that, then think of a creative IC way to do so -- you will get NO WHERE attacking me OOC.

Please, don't turn this into a war. You're showing extremely poor form right now. Here's where you can make a decision -- conduct yourself properly as an adult and I'll forget this bad moment in your history, or this will inevitably become a war. I already have the moral high ground and logs to prove it.

And that's my say on the matter.

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 21:54 EST
I dont give a rat's ass.. You are all the same friggin MUN! Dont play that **** with me, NO one threatened anyone, LOL I have the PM as well. You were warned.. Stay away from the Ravenlocks, no one wants to be included in your actions, and if they decide later they want to, they can do what they want. As far as OOC you have crossed a serious amount of lines, as your words far exceeded your reach in regards to the severe amount of shit talking about many players in this 'playground' dont try to come off as some **** saint! You are mental and need some **** help, and I hope you get what the *** is coming to you!

Edited for language.
Amal

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 21:57 EST
To prevent further arguement of this matter, I am pulling Renna again out of the RP world to prevent this matter for further developing into an OOC rant.

I would like to commend Vindicator for his logical reasoning on the matter. And I am deeply sorry for involving you in this.

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 21:59 EST
There is no further argument, we are not to be approached, it is simple as that. Vindicator, stay the *** away from us, and we will do the same.

Edited for language.
Amal

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:01 EST
This never happened. I started this off, and this SL shall end here. I will not - I shall not tare DM apart because of this. Too much has happened over the past months, and, I have had it.

The line is drawn, the series past events never happened, to prevent OOC arguement.

Please.

This never happened.

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 22:02 EST
Poor form, Brian. You're blending. By all means, though, if you think that you're in the right here, bring it to the admins -- your words versus my logs. We'll see who ends up being in the right. Deal with it IC, by all means, but there will be none of this OOC mistreatment.

Okay? Good!

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 22:03 EST
It's all on ignore hands down. I'm sorry, Lu. I didn't mean to upset you, but my words stand.

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 22:04 EST
deleted for Lu-chan, because we love her.

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:06 EST
I'm so, so sorry for causing this.

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 22:08 EST
This never happened. I started this off, and this SL shall end here. I will not - I shall not tare DM apart because of this. Too much has happened over the past months, and, I have had it.

The line is drawn, the series past events never happened, to prevent OOC arguement.

Please.

This never happened.

Renna, if you really want to erase everything your storyline's gone into over the past weeks since this started, I'm willing. I am. I don't like fighting either, I just like wading into the thick of things and let's face it, this isn't a little story you started and I couldn't just ignore it.

But I can't and won't just ignore everything unless the rest of the people involved with it are willing to as well -- if you want to retcon, I completely concede your right to. But it's not just my call, y'know? Everyone has a voice on this site. If you wanna erase it, I'm all good with it, but is there any way we can do it ICly? I'll even help! I kinda want to see the body count *fall* for once, and here's a good chance to do it.

So, let's figure it out, okay? Without the blending and the fighting and the unnecessary attacks OOC.

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 22:11 EST
The Ravenlocks are not dealing with this, retcon or whatever it is done. I still stand by what I said, regardless. Lu, again I'm sorry baby in regards to you and we love you, and dont wanna hurt you You mean a lot to all of us.

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 22:12 EST
I'm blending? With all of your alts, here that you use for this, and all the shit you talk, and the sympathy you try to drum up when it doesnt go your way.. The way people are to stay away from your alts, cause you are always harassed? Cause you have admins in your pocket at times? And I am blending?

Either way you can kiss my ass, you said yourself for the common man, right? Flames too? Then consider this a flame! This is the last time I say anything here. You can shove your logs and whatever else up your ass, hands down!

Here are my alts, Brian, just for your record.

My Main: HGLowe - not involved with Renna's thing AT ALL.
My alts: Clerk of Courts - not involved with Renna's thing AT ALL.
Distantly Amused - my shrink, not involved with Renna's thing AT ALL.
Dockside News Report - my Dockside boys. Not involved with Renna's thing so far, AT ALL! Aside, of course, initially mentioning it in a storyline thread. And that's it. They've been covering the Dockside Killer, not Renna.
Annnnnnd...

The Rhy'Din Vindicator. The ONLY one you're having a problem with. I don't have any admins in my pocket, I'm just entirely confident that the bad form shown has been purely by you and no one else.

Now, tell me where I complained about harassment before -- because, if you care to go looking? You are the only one I'm having a problem with.

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:16 EST
I'm going to do it because I don't want this site destroyed under anotjer wave of OOC ****. I know people have been effected by such, so let's just all pretend that the shit I did never happened. Okay?

Edited for language.
Amal

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:21 EST
Its 3:19am here and im worrying over this blowing up into an international-site issue that will cause people to leave. I don't want that, now don't mind if I send this thread into the Catacombs, but you will cease this talk, RIGHT **** NOW.

This ends here. I am sorry for bringing this onto you How/Vindicator, and I demand that all this be stopped right here, right now. I am done being friendly about this. Stop it.

Just, stop it. I do not need people bringing DM shit into the RDI forums. If you want to destroy something, take this arguement to DM. And leave it there.

Edited for language.
Amal

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 22:22 EST
I'm going to do it because I don't want this site destroyed under anotjer wave of OOC ****. I know people have been effected by such, so let's just all pretend that the shit I did never happened. Okay?

Then at least give post a Playable, or give someone permission to, effectively retconning it? Hell, Nexus time hole for all I care! And I promise that my character, at least, will utterly not know why he's standing on Charlotte Ravenlock's doorstep, and he won't remember anything about any encounter about this. But I would dearly love an IC reason to forget this, and then Rob can concentrate on other stories.

Edited for language.
Amal

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:23 EST
Im deleting posts. No posts, no nexus loops. This never happened.

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:24 EST
Posts deleted. This never happened.

Rhy'Din Vindicator

Date: 2007-08-18 22:25 EST
All right, Renna. And I'll repeal the Playable about the resurrection.

Alex Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 22:25 EST
Renna, I can.. at least for the people I'm talking to... tell you that no one will be leaving the site over this little .. tiff.

To say the very least.

If you need to chat with someone .. well hell, I see you on AIM. Hold on.

This Dark One

Date: 2007-08-18 22:33 EST
Im sorry to everyone in advance.

Brian Ravenlock

Date: 2007-08-18 22:34 EST
Nothing to be sorry about, Sweets!

HGLowe

Date: 2007-08-18 22:35 EST
It wasn't you, Renna; don't apologize. I have no hard feelings.

RUDE Leader

Date: 2007-08-18 22:42 EST
I have a couple things to say here.

Brian. Grow up.

This is not any sort of OOC vendetta.

Renna posted a playable. The point of playables is to get the community involved. It is absolutely unreasonable for you to expect people NOT to react to a rather big playable. It is also unreasonable for you to expect people to ask your OOC permission for every in character interaction in the rooms. And thats just what you said with your blanket statement about using the Ravenlocks in storylines.

Also. As to Briallyn's posts. YOU DO NOT CONTROL HOW I USE THE INFORMATION MY CHARACTER HAS. Even if your character was the original source of what little information she had.

And lastly stop with the profanity already.

I'm locking this thread now.