Meeting Start at 8pm Rhy?Din Time:
Opening address of the meeting:
Ammy Spiritor:
"I wanted to ask as many people here tonight in the attempt to start public talks about what is going on with the violence happening from prejudice happening in Rhy'Din. Not just during this election period but even prior times. With such a diverse population in this city, it's an issue that is going to keep rising. I come here to ask for everyone to contribute in publicly sorting through this unique issue.
It's not a law, or a force, or tyranny that I want to see come out of these meetings. But a public voice, unified that will foster common sense to lead to less violence by discrimination in some fashion. That being said, some of you got direct letters, others of you got flyers. Both bear the seven questions or topics that have come to my mind so far. But being only one person it is not complete nor perfect. So you are all open to ask questions now, add your own, make suggestion and more. I give the floor up to the people."
Floor opens to all questions and attending:
Katt Batten:
"You may not be calling it a law or anything but you are requesting people to register what they are. Not everyone cares for others to know what they are. You need to be careful with where you are leading this. Even with good intentions you could be heading people to being targets. Instead of proposing an Act or anything you should be leaning yourself towards opening up places that people can go to for healings and rest. Temp. sanctuary. An idea to teach people to defend themselves. Self-defense, not attacking others out of hate. There is always racism, no matter where you go. It is a sad fact. But it is something you need to tread carefully with."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Valid points. It has been brought up to my attention before the meeting when Andu Kirost spoke with me after the letters went out about the registry. So I will clarify. This is most likely due to the wording of the first question. I merely was asking if it were a good idea to use any races listed in the Welcome Centers database as representative races for the Equality Act. No one will be registering for the act nor asked to say what they are to the public. I was merely looking ahead at other issues such as 'what defines prejudice' and when does 'prejudice happen against whom'? However as Andu pointed out, Racial anything is flawed as well. I speak his notes as he is not here tonight. So I am looking more at removing the first question in favor of just a basic Equality Act. Believe me, I remember the severe headaches of Prop 37. I merely wish to find a way to move in a direction that former Governor Al-Amat did with her Fair Labor Act to help reduce slavery."
Claire Farron:
"I'm interested in hearing more on number four on your list. About sentience in regards to protecting prey races. Because by some standards, the cow that was slaughtered to make this delicious slider could qualify. That's one example of many when it comes to the food chain here in Rhydin. A humorous one, sure, but not the only one out there.
Who're we to mess with
a, the natural order of things and
b, tasty, tasty steaks?
Also I agree with Katt about empowering people to take care of themselves."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Yes, that was my concern which is why I wrote that question in there Claire, more or less because the Act was originally called Racial Equality, then was being talked about Sentient Equality and that was going to make even more of a mess. That question is more of a check point for us to think on where we draw the line. I served sliders on purpose. The sushi is made from fish, the salsa some could say would be sentient as well if they are vegetarian. So yes, there is a point where things can become too much and out of control. Which ties back to what you and Katt mentioned. Self Empowering people and giving them choice. However, this burden of mine was due to being asked by someone who could not defend well someone that was being violated due to prejudice and the fact that too many innocent people are caught in the cross fire. Not everyone wants to be violent and some will consider self defense violence. Just a fact of life for some out there. And yes, Common Sense is a large part of this Act. I want people to know that if you are not using your common sense when using prejudice to injure someone, do not expect someone to come step in and save your rump for acting the way you did. However, as pointed out, the questions noted are to instill the questions you all have. Feed back is needed to find the right framework for an Equality Act."
Mairead ?Maggie? Harker:
"I didn't know if we were supposed to just speak up or wait for a turn. There are self defense classes over at the Observatory. There are special sessions for children because all it takes is a moment for an adult to look away and bam. While Mr. Collins might not have been the one that did the bomb thing, racial trouble causes people to get angry or be afraid. People, like animals, don't always think right when they are scared. They need to be prepared for what might happen."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Yes, knowing how to protect yourself is a vital skill all should be encouraged to learn in Rhy'Din. Seeing as both Katt, Claire and Maggie have raised the same or similar point, how do you all see including a way to empower people into the Equality Act?"
Katt Batten:
"I don't think the Equality Act is necessary. Make people aware. Open up ways to learn how to defend yourself. Just like Maggie said, there are classes. I personally teach a defense class as well. People need to be aware that there are ways. Should be asked if they go out to not do so alone."
Claire Farron:
"Firstly, scrap the Act because it's not enforceable and just makes people think someone's trying to tell them what to do. Increase community involvement, visibility, build a stronger community and by proxy you help the weaker links."
Mairead ?Maggie? Harker:
"The principles behind the Act are good ones. Maybe the concentration should be on boosting awareness and letting citizens know they aren't alone in their concerns. Many slip into that thought process and it's just not true. Tell them help is there when it's needed. People shouldn't be so judgmental of others asking for help."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Okay then. The first elephant to address. The Act, does have an enforcement issue. Granted, so does the Watch or any other self appointed jurisdiction in this city. As I recall, Violence or Might makes Right is the law of the land. Awareness is the key goal of this Act. It is not a physical enforcement. Again, it's a common sense tool to let all in the public know that this is what the public considers decent behavior and what they are prepared to do to protect themselves. By just suggesting self defense and opening up ways for learning how to defend does nothing to educate the public that 'Hey, you behavior will get you most likely shot by another person, just an FYI'.
That said, I will ask a question of all three of you, then Andu may speak his. This started because I am asked by the frightened people out there getting hurt who are being attacked discriminated. So. Have each of you ever faced discrimination, racially injured, hunted or harmed? This is not to aggravate, but I ask just for simple clarity."
Maggie:
"I have... I've been discriminated against because of my age, being a girl, being mixed race, and, believe it or not, being a native Rhydinian."
Claire Farron:
"Prejudice is difficult to combat, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this town that hasn't face it in some form or another. I watched my home world destroyed for the prejudices of people who didn't understand something different from them. My own sister was purged by a government that was supposed to protect us. But we didn't lay down and take it, we fought. We protected ourselves. You can't rely on anyone but you and yours in the grand scheme of things."
Katt Batten:
"I also have frightened people approach me. A young woman, in fact, was in my company not too long ago. She didn't know who I was but had been attacked for what she was. She was worried the clinics would not take her for what she is. Things like this.. should be dealt with.. This young woman didn't want protection or sanctuary. She wanted to be able to protect herself. She told me so herself without me even uttering a word of my class."
Ebon Ilnaren:
"Yes."
Zack Alcar:
"Aye."
Icer1978:
?Aye.?
Ammy Spiritor:
"Good. You know what it is like then. And you know what it is like as well when you are facing the whole world out there, on your own as you are singled out. Yes, we need classes for self defense, safe places, shelters, hospitals and clinics that don't discriminate and refuse, but why should we let it all get out of hand in the first place? The question the person asked me that hit the hardest is, 'What are you going to do, as a non-human to make Rhy'Din safe for people so they aren't hurt by prejudice again. So, unless someone is going to tout being pure human, they are facing that same question."
Andu Kirost:
?More of a statement. Speaking of help, I've tried to make the RTS trains as safe as I, and my assistants, can make them. If there is any way we can assist in either providing ?Safe-havens? or transportation, or even helping to ?spread the word?, the resources of Kirost Enterprises are at your service, and that of all the varied beings of this great city.?
Colleen:
"I've been livin' 'ere longer than most and have the followin' to offer. I have seen, for the most part, people going along in their lives doing the necessary things. But... Every so often, we get someone that wants to crow and carry on about who should come first or who is dangerous to who. Like Proposition 37, many times over of this race is best and the rest should be destroyed. And the latest being Mr. Collins' group. Those that are the targets of the hatred become fearful... that's where the trouble really starts.
As Maggie pointed out, wounded or threatened animals are dangerous creatures. People are no different in that respect. The fearful ones act on those fears and do harm, even to those they didn't intend to. Self dense classes are a preparation method. Ask Maggie and Ebon's son, Doran, sometime about how they fended off a gang of thugs that were inspired by the no magic people. Actions cause reactions, people need to learn to be careful in how they react."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Thank you Colleen. Ebon is next. Apologies to Claire and Katt. I did not mean to go on length about things. All options are open. Ebon, please."
Ebon Ilnaren:
"Thank you. I came in late, so I apologize if anything I say has already been mentioned... you've talked about safe havens and that is an important short-term answer. People in need should definitely have a place to turn for support and succor. Certainly I wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't found such a place in my own youth. However, as much focus as there should be on helping the persecuted feel welcome, there should be equal focus on showing the persecutors that they are not welcome.
I haven't been in Rhy'din as long as some of you, but I've been here long enough to know that that, as Colleen mentioned, the majority of our citizens are quite happy to go along in their lives, without troubling or being troubled by their neighbors. Those malcontents who like to whip up a frenzy are the minority... vocal, yes, but a minority nonetheless. Ammy, you mentioned violence or 'Might Makes Right' as the law of the land, but that's not true. The only real law in Rhy'din is that born of shared moral outrage. We showed that some years back when the Fair Labor Act was adopted by businesses, institutions, and individuals all across the city, and while that Act didn't wipe out slavery in Rhy'din, it definitely hurt it.
What we're trying to put together now should have the same impact against those who would discriminate or persecute others solely for their race, or creed, or special talents. As I wrote back to you, we need to show them that such behavior is Wrong. And we won't accept it. No violence needed."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Indeed Ebon. What is said was not correct about Might Makes Right, but a simple notation of some thoughts floating in the public since nothing is enforceable..."
Katt Batten:
"Not everyone who attacks others are...dangerous. They are people who simply fear different. I know this from first hand. I still get dirty looks or attacked in some fashion by normal folks. Some of these people are the same ones we wish to protect. While wrong, yes, people are afraid of what they do not understand. These people's fears are only flamed by those who..try to stir the pot so to speak."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Very well. A lot has been spoken. In regards to this Equality Act for the first meeting it has been thought of as another Registration Act. Thought of as pointless because it cannot be enforced therefore lying to the people. Voiced that the Act be abandoned, more focus on self defense and public education of what people don't understand. Yet, we still come back the original issue. 'I or my loved one is being attacked by prejudicial violence. What are you going to do about it?' So, I have a feeling tonight we will not even address what even constitutes basic rights for a person or resident of this city until the life of the Act is ascertain and the nature of the act.
It is, for the record, not a law, not a call for violence, but a framework to do many things as you all suggest. Shelter, safety, self defense, awareness and education, etc that is unfortunately in many different locations and not a unified public voice."
Andu Kirost:
?I would suggest two things. One, don't make it an ?Act?, that sounds like something a government tries to force on people. Make it a ?treaty? or ?agreement?, ask people, and businesses and groups to sign it. Two. Safe havens. Establish places people can go to seek help, shelter or even protection. Come up with an... ?Icon? people can easily recognize for those places to display, so even those who can't read can know where help can be found. Just a couple ?off the cuff? ideas I just had.?
Will Somnia:
?Thanks. I'll preface this by stating that I don't agree with Humanity First, and I endorse nothing that has happened as a result of it here... But Katt... you ask if anything is normal here. I think there is. Show of hands... any humans in this room??
*Notated that no hand is raised in the room save of Mairead Harker on behalf of her father who was not attending.*
Average, run-of-the-mill, no powers humans? Those are the people that flock to people like Francis Collins. People that just go about their lives in a world of superpowers. I'm sure they feel the same way I did when I lost my powers. I think the ideas here are good, and I think they can go in good directions... We just... I don't know. I think you all covered it. We have to be careful.?
Katt Batten:
"You know.. I've protected those without super powers Will. I've laid down my life for them on numerous occasions. That didn't stop one of them from stabbing me in the gut a few years ago. Or shooting at me. Because they feared me. Because I am not human. A person shouldn't be judged because of their race but because of what they say and do. I am not one for categorizing people for their race... A human can be just as much of a monster as any other race."
Colleen:
"I have a question based on yours, Ammy. When you ask 'What are you going to do about it,' are you asking with regard to those in public office, the citizenry as a whole, or individuals?"
Ammy Spiritor:
"That question was more or less the one that haunts me from the campaign I had last week but it flows beyond me. To answer, really it is what is the public as a whole going to do? The residents of the city? It is why I ask for public help and opinions to sort this out. The one asking me what I would do if Governor knows my answer. As a governor... I can't do a thing about the violence. No laws, no acting powers. But I am still a resident of the city. I live and work and am amongst you all. So I lay this question on you all and everyone else not here. What can we, the people do, to curb this behavior. Yes, people react. Yes people can be scared. But everyone should have basic rights to be safe."
Colleen:
"My family does a little every day, Ammy. What we do fer others is mostly between us, the deities we believe in 'n' anyone we directly help. I think what ya need ta do is take this ta the individual level. IF people are prepared for those like Collins that want ta spill their rhetoric and learn ta not react violently, there will be less of an impact. As fer rights regarding race, what haven't we already got?"
Ammy Spiritor:
"I want it to be for the individual. But that is where I stumble Colleen. That is why I need advice and input or it is definitely just talk. Perhaps Equality Rights are another thing that is far off the mark as well."
Colleen:
"There is a difference between fear and caution. I think yer heart is in the right place, Ammy, but yer tryin' ta solve too many things at one time."
Ammy Spiritor:
"Suggestions then?"
Colleen:
"Andu's Safe Haven idea for those that are afraid and need support is a very good one. If that's decided on, I'm sure the shelter in Old Market would be a good place to start that program."
Ammy Spiritor:
"And if they cannot reach the Old Market?"
Colleen:
"I said it's a start. I'm sure there are places in other districts that the owners would be willing to assist."
Andu Kirost:
?If anyone can contact Panther, he should be asked. Unfortunately, all my businesses are located in the Old Temple district as well, but the RTS would happily provide free and safe transport to the shelter for anyone needing it, from anywhere in the city the trains visit.?
Mairead ?Maggie? Harker:
"When I entered the primary, one of the things I said I want to do was get a set up Mama and arranged in Old Market built in every district. I don't have to be a Baroness or a Governor to do that. I can be Maggie, working with her Da. It'll take time to build them... but ... why not ask the Barons for temporary help until those buildings are done. As for Old Temple, I can talk to Fliss's Dad and ask if he would be willing to help and let us build a shelter and stuff near the fire station he runs. And in the meantime, he might allow shelter there. That'd give Andu two places to take people."
Ebon Ilnaren:
"And I have contacts at the Dragon's Gate fire station. Narisa has already been talking with the staff there about expanding their facility similar to what's been done in Old Market and Old Temple."
Ammy Spiritor:
"That is a good idea Maggie. I will try to talk to the Barons, but many of them have left me with a feeling they'd not deal with politics and being a candidate, I may not be accepted favorably. But I will try as well. Granted, this is something I wish to continue even if I lose the election. I am thinking of my daughter Ruby and her future as one of many needing safety."
Colleen:
"There are a few ships down at the docks that are serviceable. Maybe convert them into emergency facilities?"
Ammy Spiritor:
"This is all getting some shifting moving for the proposal. Is this still something that people are going to want or is it going to be run into the ground and buried?"
Ebon Ilnaren:
"I think it has merit, Ammy. It needs trimming, that's all."
Meeting ended at 10:00PM Rhy?Din Time.